Episode 49

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26th Mar 2025

Toxic Positivity in Personal Development

Navigating the Dangers of Toxic Positivity

Summary

In this shorter episode of the Coaching Clinic, John discusses the concept of toxic positivity and its potentially harmful effects.

He explains how positivity, while generally beneficial, can become detrimental when enforced as the only acceptable emotional state. Drawing parallels with cult-like behaviors, John outlines the BITE model—Behavior, Information, Thought, and Emotional control—used by cults to manipulate individuals.

He emphasises the importance of allowing a full range of emotions and avoiding suppressing negative feelings.

John also updates listeners on Angie's recovery and the exciting upcoming episodes and interviews.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Toxic Positivity

00:24 Upcoming Episodes and Guest Announcements

00:50 Understanding Toxic Positivity

01:22 Cults and Control Mechanisms

03:11 The Dangers of Toxic Positivity

06:38 Healthy Emotional Expression

07:42 Conclusion and Further Reading

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Transcript
John:

Welcome to the show, and we need to have a chat about positivity.

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Should be a good thing.

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All right?

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Positivity is great, but what

happens when positivity turns toxic?

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That's gonna be the topic of this

shorter episode of the Coaching Clinic,

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so welcome to the Coaching Clinic with

John and Angie, the show for coaches

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who want to develop their coaching

skills and grow their business.

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I'm happy to be back with another

shorter episode for you today and

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deliver the good news that Angie is

much better and will be back in the

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recording studio with me tomorrow.

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So we're very much

looking forward to that.

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She's also going to be recording a one

shot episode that you'll be getting pretty

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soon as well, and we are interviewing

some new guests, people within the

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coaching industry, or people who are

helping coaches to grow their businesses

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that we will be bringing you as well.

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So look forward to those things.

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Positivity though should be a good thing.

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We could all benefit most of the

time from being a bit more positive.

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And I know it's something that I've

done a lot of work on myself, but.

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Where does it start to become toxic?

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Now, this is a tool that has

been used within certain personal

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development cult-like organizations.

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It could actually, to some

degree, be described as cults.

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Now, I probably will do an episode at some

point, maybe one of my solo episodes about

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cults and identifying cult behaviors.

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But there are four main levers

that cults use to control people.

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And this doesn't just

happen in an instant.

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You may think surely someone

could just walk away from that

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when they start to notice it.

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Hopefully, yes.

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But if you don't know the tactics

that are being used against you, these

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are things that can actually start to

over time ware you down and get you

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to conform to the group behaviors.

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Now, a cult could be a larger

organization, a smaller group, or

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even just one person can be a cult.

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You can have cults of

personality for sure.

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You can have political cults,

religious cults, business cults.

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They all exist and they all use typically

some level of these four control leavers.

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I.

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One is behavior control where they

actually aim to control your behaviors.

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Another is information control where they

control the information that you receive.

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So you mainly get only ever get

propagandized by their own information

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and cut yourself off to external sources.

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Another technique is thought control,

where they'll get you to do things

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like thought stopping exercises,

so you can shut down any critical

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thinking or any doubts or red flags

that might be flashing up in your mind.

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And another is emotional control,

where they try and get you to feel a

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certain way and to limit, restrict the

emotions that you are allowed to express.

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Now even with just some of those

elements present, that is cult-like

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behavior and certainly many

organizations use levels of these.

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Now the amount of these levers that are

being applied does differ to the level

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of whether something is a bit cult-like

or whether it is a full-blown cult.

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We're not here so much to

talk about cults though, but.

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Toxic positivity, which I have come

across in the personal development

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world, is where you are really only

allowed to think and express positivity

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within a particular group, and to not

do so could lead to being reprimanded,

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or it could lead to being shunned by

the group, or it could lead to some

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kind of punishment, you are going to

be shown that behavior does not entitle

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you to be a full on part of the group.

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You will be pushed out until you conform

to the group behavior and nobody should

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be positive a hundred percent of the time.

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We are not built in a way that allows us

really to just experience one emotion.

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We experience hundreds, maybe even

thousands of emotional states and ranges

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throughout each day, many of which

we're probably not super aware of.

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We probably know when we're happy,

when we're sad, we, we probably

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don't identify too many of the

emotional ranges in between.

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Positivity certainly is a good thing to

have in your life A bit more generally,

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like I like doing my gratitude practice.

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I like being thankful things in my life.

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I like to show appreciation and I like

to be optimistic, but I don't want to put

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on rose tinted spectacles the whole time

to think that everything is wonderful,

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everything is positive, everything is

good, and there is nothing negative.

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It's not realistic.

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and this is really where people can start

to get you we know that being negative

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is not considered to be a good quality.

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And it is something that we probably

want to limit, but that doesn't mean

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that we should be positive all the time.

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It does mean that we perhaps do want to

limit or even stop moaning or complaining

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about things, although, could we ever

really do that a hundred percent?

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I'm not sure.

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But we certainly are better

off when we limit these things.

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But to eliminate them or to attempt

to eliminate them really just means

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we are suppressing our thoughts and

suppressing our emotions to conform

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to what is expected of us, rather

than what's really going on inside.

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And so toxic positivity or the cult of

positivity, even though it's not actually

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a cult, it is a cult-like behavior.

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The cult of positivity doesn't allow

you to be anything other than positive.

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It is emotional control

and it is thought control.

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You are only allowed to

think positive thoughts.

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You are only allowed to express

positive emotions, and you have to

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keep putting yourself into positive

emotional state the whole time.

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People may even try to make it sound like

your life should be so perfect once you

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are being more positive all of the time,

and yet that is not really how it works.

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And you probably know that.

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So positivity is a good thing in general,

but a hundred percent positivity a hundred

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percent of the time is not natural,

it's not healthy and it's not normal.

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We shouldn't even be attempting that.

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And if you do come across examples of

positivity being forced in all situations,

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or any kinds of negativity being

reproached and being even punished, then

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you should see that as a major red flag.

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And it might even be that the people

doing this are not aware that this is mind

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control behavior, but it absolutely is.

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And that's how we should look at it.

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So my advice is to aim to be more positive

in life, for sure, but allow yourself

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to experience the rainbow of emotions

that are out there and to express what

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actually is real, to express what is

real and happening for you at the time.

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There are times and places in our

days and our life experience where

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we can positively influence our

emotional state for the better.

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And I do encourage that, but

maybe not all the time, and

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certainly not just for one emotion.

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We must allow ourselves to

experience sadness when we're

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feeling sad, to experience anger.

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When we feel angry.

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We cannot put all of our emotions

on hold and suppress them.

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That just means that we are buckling

everything up inside and we start to

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switch off our own independent thought

when we are trying to behave the way

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that we think we are supposed to, rather

than the way that we really want to.

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I hope this has been a good and

insightful episode and definitely

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is encouraging me to want to go

a bit deeper into cults with you.

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The information that I shared with

you on Cults today does come from

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Steven Hassan, who I think is now Dr.

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Steven Hassan.

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Stephen Hassan is known

as a cult deprogrammer.

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He has a really good book on cult mind

control, how to understand it, where he

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talks about the BITE model, the behavior,

information, thought and emotional

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control elements, and all the different

aspects of that and how you can then find

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whether something is maybe just a bit

culty or whether it is a full-blown cult.

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So I do encourage you to check that

out if you are interested in that.

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It is, to me, very fascinating

and certainly the personal

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development world can be ripe

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for those kinds of malignant influences

where people maybe are feeling a

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bit broken or hurt or looking for

someone to follow and maybe don't

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trust themselves and their emotions.

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We want to be healthy examples for

the people who we are helping as

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coaches, and that means we shouldn't

even consider trying ourselves to

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be a hundred percent positive or

trying to get them to do that either.

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I hope you've enjoyed and found some

value from our episode today, and

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we'll be back with Angie next week.

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So I'm looking forward to

having her back in the studio.

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I've missed her and I know if you are a

regular listener, you probably have too.

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So we'll see you again very soon for

another episode of The Coaching Clinic.

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Bye for now.

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The Coaching Clinic
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She's direct and he's diplomatic but Angie Besignano and John Ball are both successful coaches with years of coaching experience and very different delivery styles.
Each episode will tackle a different coaching problem from both styles of coaching, with occasional guest coaches and audience interaction. We're going to have some fun digging into your biggest coaching challenges and helping you become an even better coach.

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John Ball

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From former flight attendant to international coach and trainer, on to podcaster and persuasion expert, it's been quite the journey for John.
John has been a lead coach and trainer with the Harv Eker organisation for over 10 years and is currently focused on helping his clients develop their personal presentation skills for media and speaking stages through his coaching business brand Present Influence.
He's the author of the upcoming book Podfluence: How To Build Professional Authority With Podcasts, and host of the Podfluence podcast with over 150 episodes and over 15,000 downloads John is now focused on helping business coaches and speakers to build a following and grow your lead flow and charisma.
You can now also listen to John on The Coaching Clinic podcast with his good friend and colleague Angie Besignano where they are helping coaches create sustainable and successful businesses, and the Try To Stand Up podcast where John is on a personal and professional mission to become funnier on the stage and in his communication.

Angie Besignano

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With early beginnings as an entry-level manager in the sales industry, Angie has spent more than 3 decades building her knowledge and expertise to create her master coaching and speaking brand, AngieSpeaks. After climbing the professional ladder, she started her own company and decided to focus her practice on High Performance Coaching. In doing so, she challenges individuals to elevate and grow, no matter what level they are at currently in their personal or professional lives.
Angie has created a strong following through her “tough” but “pragmatic” approach and challenges her clients to find the space that is holding them back the most. In doing so, their outcomes not only compound, but take root, so that results can be permanent. The tools she provides work in the “real” world and show up in their first interaction.
Angie has an unwavering passion toward the journey that fosters a true transformation for those that work with her. She delivers her content and speaking engagements with an authentic enthusiasm and curiosity that creates trust and rapport, allowing for a heightened experience.