Why Even the Best Coaches Need Coaches: The Importance of Having Your Own Coach

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John,

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John: Angie.

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Angie: I just had a really

difficult coaching call.

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John: Oh, was your client difficult?

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Angie: No.

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My coach really challenged me.

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Got me feeling a little uncomfortable.

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John: Oh, you're coaching with a coach.

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I didn't know you had a coach.

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Angie: Oh yeah.

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For I don't know, a decade now.

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Why you don't have a coach?

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John: Well, I've had some really

influential mentors over the

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years and my career and I do

wonder now if I should hire one.

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Angie: I'm going to say I am a firm

believer that even coaches need coaches.

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So let's go deeper into this

for our listeners today.

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John: I'm with you.

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Let's start the show.

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Angie: So, yeah this is a big question.

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I think there's a lot of people that

might believe that because they are

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a coach, they don't need a coach.

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So let's start at baseline.

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What are your thoughts on it?

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John: My thoughts havee evolved

over the years and here's a say.

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For several, I say for several

years, for a bunch of years as a

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coach, I didn't have my own coach.

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And the main reason for that was

the expense of hiring a coach.

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I had, I joined some programs

where I'd get a coach here again.

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I was never very impressed with

the coaches that I worked with.

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I needed a standard of coach that

I couldn't afford at that time.

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But when I could afford to

get a good coach, I did.

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And I would say that was transformative.

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And I have had, I have several

coaching friends where we now

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Exchange coaching with each

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And that works really well for us

so i've had I have had coaching

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from coaches paid and Exchange I

guess for yeah for over 10 years

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Angie: That's awesome though.

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I love that you even pointed to that.

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So I'll go backwards a little bit.

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My first coach was actually when I

started incorporating speaking into

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my coaching practice and having

gone through that experience.

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Dance.

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I wish that I had done it sooner.

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Like I wish that I had taken advantage

sooner and like yourself when I Did

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inquire, you know if somebody I knew

was working with and honestly, it was

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like a business coaching kind of a

situation I wasn't with back then the

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life coach Which was very big in like

s into the early: 2000

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That was what people were really

doing but I do it like yourself.

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When I heard the numbers,

I was like, what?

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That's a lot of money to do what?

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But then when I decided I wanted to

incorporate speaking into my coaching

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practice, for some reason I thought

that, oh, this'll be so easy breezy.

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I've got all of these

clients under my belt.

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I can go back to.

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It was not so easy breezy and I

was fortunate that I actually chose

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somebody who wasn't afraid of me I have

to say he wasn't afraid to challenge

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John: us that's important.

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Yeah

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Angie: It's true.

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He just wasn't he did not care

About my sass or my you know, he

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just didn't and awesome and he was

awesome I had him as a coach for

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so many years until he retired out.

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So I'm just across the board a

believer In having that coach, right?

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Having

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John: Let me meet me too.

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Me too.

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Let me share something with you.

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Very unfair to my earliest coaches.

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I think I was very unfair

because I had high expectations.

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And I'm not saying I

compare them to myself.

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I'm not that egotistical.

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I just had high expectations of

them and I expected them to be able

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to pick up on stuff that was going

on or to dig deeper on things.

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And they just didn't.

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And it may have been a bit unfair of me

because I was not as cooperative with

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them as a client as I could have been.

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Angie: Okay.

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I could, I can understand that because

you're almost, so let me ask you

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before I even, I was going to finish

the statement, but let me ask the

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question before I make the statement.

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So do you feel like you were

in a consistent flow of.

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Instead of being in the moment of the

session with them, that you were focused

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on what they were or were not doing,

rather than the actual instead of you, the

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focus was on them, from your perspective?

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Yeah.

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John: Here's the thing I felt that

if I had just given what I knew

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was a bullshit answer to them, that

they should have called me on it.

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Angie: Intentionally do that?

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It sounds like you did.

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John: Maybe?

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Maybe?

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Angie: Okay.

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Okay,

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John: Yeah I did.

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Angie: All right.

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So I'm gonna say I think I'm being

honest As you're saying that and

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we're just giggling about it.

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I think I probably have done that

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John: Testing them out, right?

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Not to be mean, but

yeah, testing them out.

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Angie: Well, almost like this.

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I mean, I think from anybody at any

time, and that was an evolution for me

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and not that I was egotistical right

to go exactly with what you said, but I

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definitely had people who were mentors.

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So these were people that didn't hire

me and somebody might say, Oh Angie,

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we coupled you with this person.

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We partnered with partnered

you with this person.

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You're going to learn so much.

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And after two days I was like, This

is BS that I am not learning anything.

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I am babysitting.

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So the point that I'm making, and I

think you are too, is that if you are

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a higher level person or you are a

higher level, some, if you've already

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got some experience as a coach, not

that you couldn't learn from somebody

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who has less experience than you, or

I'm not saying that wouldn't be fair.

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However, my belief is that.

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You really need somebody who's got

great experience more than you may be.

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Maybe it's even in a different

arena than you're used to.

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So you're learning something new, but they

have to know how to be able to handle you.

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And to that point, some of my toughest

clients are coaches, so it's almost like

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it doesn't, I don't think it changes the

answer to the question, which what we're

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talking about is, do coaches need coaches?

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I say, well, why wouldn't we?

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Right?

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Don't assume that because you're a coach

that like you've arrived and now, it's all

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good for you because we're still people.

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John: well, look, I'd say this as well in

more recent years when I have been able to

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work with some higher level coaches where

I've been able to afford to pay to work

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with them Sometimes in groups sometimes in

one to one it has really advanced me Not

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just as a person But as a coach as well

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That has been incredibly

high value for me developing.

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It's like when you surround yourself with

people who are at a higher level than you,

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when you have a coach, who's at a higher

level than you get pulled up from the top.

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Angie: I love it.

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And yes, and that's the point.

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The point is, could you learn

from somebody with lesser

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experience or yes, you can.

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However, I think, yeah, I think being,

you just said it, I love how you

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illustrated it, pulling you up from the

top rather than somebody who's under

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you trying to push you up and trying to

give you like one or two little tidbits.

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That's probably not going to be

your ideal person and would not

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be money well spent, to be honest.

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I think the idea is, also to if you want

your, I've had countless clients ask me.

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Before they hired me, do

you have a coach Andy and.

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Not being able to not being able to say,

yes, was a little uncomfortable and.

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Nobody really challenged me on it, but

I had to take pause and say, wait a

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minute, they're asking me this and I'm,

not sure exactly why because I never

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said well, why do you want to know?

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I just you know answered the question and

we moved on but it's so much easier How do

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I endorse something if i'm not doing it?

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How do I tell somebody a client like how

important coaching is and how valuable

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it is and what an investment it is?

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Right?

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Instead of a cost, it's an investment

if I'm not doing it myself.

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So I think it was more to

realizing that walking my talk

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was very important to my clients.

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They wanted to kind of test how much I

really believed in that whole concept.

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So now when I say, yeah, every time

I talk to John, by the way, I'm

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being coached just so you all know.

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John: Well, I get the same privilege

with you look, I think there have been

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times in my life where i've had multiple

coaches four different areas I've had

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a coach that I've worked with on my

personal stuff I've had a coach that

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i've worked with on professional stuff.

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I've had a I had a business coach

a marketing coach a personal coach

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Angie: Yes.

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Yes.

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John: At the same, not the same, exactly

the same time, they were all hired

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around the same time and I was working

with all of them during the week.

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And that was great to a degree.

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It's a lot.

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It's a lot to do.

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I try and keep to just one, but I find

having worked in coaching companies.

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For a period of time made it very easy

to find those people who are there.

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Oh, I could work with you

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Angie: Absolutely.

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John: that was really helpful as well.

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Angie: Much easier to vet people that way.

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And I think so.

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I, and I think too, that's important

to bring it up that when you and I

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began coaching, it really was like a

life coach or a business coach scenario

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that it was really one or the other.

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It's only in the last 20 some odd

years that it's become more diverse.

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I, I call it murky, but

diverse because you can get.

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You can get a business coach

that specializes in X, Y, or Z.

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I mean, it really gets layers and

layers deep now, which is fine.

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But the point is that you can

get a marketing coach, right?

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You can get somebody who to teach you

how to articulate if you wanted to.

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So I think that And I think that i'm

gonna go back to something you said

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earlier I am much better for it You know,

even though I hired somebody officially

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because I wanted to Get out of my own.

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I didn't know what I wanted.

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I knew I needed something, but I

didn't know what I really needed.

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And his name was John, by the way.

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And he was like three months in, I was

resisting and he finally called me out.

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He was like, do you want to

keep this relationship or not?

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And I was like, what do you mean?

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What do you mean?

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Do I want to keep this relationship?

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And he's well, because because

he was consultant as well.

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It wasn't just coaching and he was

like because you don't want to change

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anything He's so I'm just curious do you

want you do you want to be a speaker?

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Do you want to you know, just keep

doing what you're doing, which is

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fine And I'm like, well, of course

I hired you to help me do this.

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He was okay.

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Well, then just do it

Like he goes like this.

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He's because if not, I'm divorcing you.

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And I was like, wow, this guy.

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And at first I'm going to say I

was a little put off because again,

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strong, he had really strong energy.

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And then like by the following week

when I had to give him my answer, I

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was like, you're right, whatever you

need for me to do, I'm going to do.

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He's do just give me three weeks.

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I'm sorry.

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Three months, give me three

months, do it this way.

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And let's see what happens.

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What's again, what's the

worst that can happen?

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And I was like, okay, but guess what?

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That was a very pivotal moment

because that was the moment where

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I allowed myself to be vulnerable.

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I'm not really good at it

or wasn't really good at it.

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And I had to put my full

trust in him and it worked.

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So lucky for him.

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I told him, I'm lucky for you.

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This is working.

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But that was, that became the

dynamic of our relationship.

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But he really, when I say he moved

that needle, like far beyond what I

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even envisioned as an expectation.

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That was like a big, huge moment.

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And I probably helped him retire

because I referred so many people

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to him that I think that I was the

reason I told him, he was a young guy.

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I'm like, you are retiring because of me.

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And I know it.

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So.

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I think the point of that whole ha story

is that if you decide you are going to

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take on a consulting, a consultant or

a coach to help you with your business

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or with your own growth, you have to,

even as a coach, you have to allow that

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vulnerability and get out of the own way.

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Like instead of looking

at what are you doing?

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What are they doing?

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They should have done this here.

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Get into that role.

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John: Yeah, I think this easily could

have been an incredibly short episode

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where we both said do other cool

Do coaches need their own coaches?

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Yes.

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Episode done, but it's good.

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I think it's still important to

get into why this matters and

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what's important about this.

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Here's a question for you.

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If you were hiring a coach

for yourself today, would you

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ask them if they have a coach?

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That'd be one of your

qualifying questions for them.

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Angie: Yes.

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Yes, it definitely would.

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John: So too

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Angie: Well, let me ask you then

why, what would be your reason

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behind asking that question now?

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John: it relates partly to what you

said about are you really value in

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coaching if you don't have your own

coach And how important do you see

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coaching as being in people's lives

if you don't even have your own?

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So that's a big part of it.

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But also Nobody should really be in a

position where they don't think they

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could improve or that they have all the

answers themselves we all need a bit

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of external help, whether, I don't care

if I say, have you got a coach and it's

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well, it's your public speaking coach or

it's your marketing coach or whatever.

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I just want to know that you have

someone who's helping you to reach

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a better version of you in whatever

area that you're working on.

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Angie: Yeah, I think that the difference,

I think what has changed for me is at

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that time back then, when I of course,

so: 2008

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speaking into my coaching practice,

back then it was very one to one.

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And this person was going to help me.

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It wasn't just the business.

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There was a few things.

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There was a lot of things.

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I think now for me, when I hire

anybody, it's for a specific, as

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I guess I referenced earlier, it's

for a specific space within my

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world now, because what do we do?

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I coach.

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I podcast with you, right?

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I'm putting mastermind you and I are doing

other things and there's literally for

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each space that you go into as a coach.

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There's a specific professional

that could help you with that.

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I don't think it's the overall now.

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John: Really important.

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I would not hire a generalist coach.

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I wouldn't hire a generalist life coach I

wouldn't hire a generalist business coach

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I just wouldn't but there was a time when

that's all there was As we both know and

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have experienced on both sides So yeah,

it's I would work with specialists coaches

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or people who have at least niched down

And, I say this often on the course,

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mainly because I know that we're going

to have listeners who are ICF certified

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or going through that certification,

who are like, that's not coaching.

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That's consultation.

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Yeah, we know that.

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But the reality of, coaching

practices, you are not going

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to be doing pure ontological

coaching for your coaching life.

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Good luck to you.

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If you manage that and you can

make it work great, but but most

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times that's just not realistic.

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You end up having some level of

consultancy in there as well.

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Angie: Listen, I think anybody who's

been a coach for more than say 15 years.

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Has realized and then listen, and if

you have defied this statement, we'd

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love to hear from you, but I think

that most people that I know that have

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been coaches for more than 15 years

your perspective has had to evolve.

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Because not everybody nowadays, they're

not looking for that one stop shop.

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I have a saying that I preach it.

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I probably have people that I've

coached in biz that are business

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people that are probably using this

phrase even in their own practices.

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No matter what you're doing,

I think everything does come

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back to life coaching, the

person, the human element of it.

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Because you don't have

like business problems.

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Here's my statement.

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You have personal problems

that Show up in your business.

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That's what it is.

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Is it whatever that may be?

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That's where that coaching piece comes in.

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Is there some cons, consultant

space like hey let's talk

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about your marketing, right?

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That's very specific and you

can't help but have that pop up.

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So to sit here and think I would

hate to say to somebody at this

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point, you know I really just

can't do anything with you on that.

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You need to get somebody else.

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That does I think feel a little like

overwhelming and daunting to people.

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So having some expertise and being

able to share that I think can

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be relevant and very important

and up your value with a client.

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John: Yeah, and that is a different to

it's different to telling them what to do.

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We're not suggesting you do that.

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It's really being able to share

some of your journey with them.

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I do feel my experience of

coaching is that all the

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different elements of coaching.

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If you have long term coaching

relationships will ultimately enter in

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the ontological the questioning approach

the consultative approach the mentoring

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approach all those elements will come

into it on some level But it's not going

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to be the case of all right Well, you

come on to your call and i'm going to

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tell you at the end of the call what you

should be taking action on and that's

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what you're going to do is that it's more

of a collaborative process where you may

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actually find someone's, if someone's

struggling to come up with some action

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steps for the week okay, how about this?

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You might actually suggest something

if it's appropriate in the situation,

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the relationship, or here's what I did.

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Is that could that be relevant to you?

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Or is there a version or does

that make you think of something

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that you might want to do?

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All that stuff can be really helpful and

it's not really just asking questions

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at that point It is more like there

is a bit of leading going on as well

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Angie: Yeah.

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Which John did with me

about three weeks ago.

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Just wanted to tell everybody all of

a sudden his old voice changed and

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he went from having a conversation

to going, well, let me ask you.

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And I was like, Oh, that's different.

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But I'm teasing.

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But anyway, but it does happen.

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And I think that, it does depend on the

relationship you have with that particular

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client because there are people who have

that expectation, especially if you're

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selling a framework, like if you are

working within a framework, I think that

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people that come to you for coaching are

looking for a little bit more guidance

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than help me dig my way out, so I think

finding that balance is really important

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and relevant because things have changed.

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The landscape has changed so, so much.

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John: Yeah, that's a really good point

like let's see let's say it's a good

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thing for a coach to create a framework I

think we may have talked about that before

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Angie: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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John: And so if you have that and

somebody comes to you and you say, well,

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I'm just going to ask you questions

other than talk about stuff that's

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in the framework, or just ask them

questions that relates that I think

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they're going to feel a bit put out.

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They're going to feel a bit like

you're holding back on them because

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you actually have knowledge and

information to share with them.

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And I do, I get that there's a

battle going on sometimes you think.

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As a coach, you shouldn't be

the person who's doing most

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of the talking on the call.

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That, that's what we know.

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And yet there are times

where you might be,

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Angie: I agree.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think it just depends on

what's happening in the moment.

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Cause there were times where I've

been like the person doing most of

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the talking and I acknowledge it.

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I say it out loud.

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Hey, you know what, John, I know

today I'm doing a lot of the talking.

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Here's why.

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Are and I'm not, are you

picking up what I'm laying down?

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I don't talk like that to

my clients, but I make sure,

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John: No, I'm kidding.

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Angie: but I make sure that

they understand the other

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thing I wanted to point out.

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And I think you and I talked about this

because there are things that I tell.

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In my discovery call with a prospective

client, not after they sign the contract,

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I tell them there are basically two

areas that I will not coach them on.

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One of them is on finance, right?

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And the other is on health and wellness.

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But I mean, in terms of

nutrition and exercise.

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Because I have my own coaches there.

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I have had my own trainers there.

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I have, and I, a lot of people come to

me and not as much in the financial area.

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But believe it or not, it comes

up, but more in that, not again,

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not in energy because we know I do

energy work, but in that diet and

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exercise, nutrition and exercise.

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And I tell them, if you need

help with that, you need to go

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talk to a specific professional.

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I'm here to do with what's going on, deal

with what's going on between the ears.

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That's what I'm here for.

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But what I've done is I've

even put it on my website.

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These are resources for people.

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If you want this and you need this, these

are trusted resources, trusted people that

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I've worked with personally that I trust.

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And I feel confident in referring

you, but I cannot help you there.

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That's it.

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Cannot do it.

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So I set that right from the

beginning because I've had people

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come in and go, well, I just really

need somebody to help me, get on

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point with my nutrition and my act.

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And I'm like are we talking habitually?

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Or are we talking you want me to tell

you how many proteins to eat a day?

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Both.

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I'm not your girl.

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I'm not the person for you.

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If

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John: most of my coaching life has

been business related coaching So

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that hasn't very often come up for

me although some people do know i'm

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gonna say this now, but that I have

for About 10 years or so been teaching.

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Financial freedom Program for

another company you didn't know

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Angie: can see me, no, right.

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Nobody can see me right now,

but I literally just did a

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scooby doo with my ears up.

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I was like, huh?

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I've known John for a long time.

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And this is the first I'm hearing of this.

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John: so so it goes to it's like an eight

week program that goes through things

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like the foundational elements of money

management and There's actually a system

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and process to get people to follow.

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And then four weeks of talking

about how to set up investment

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things and stuff like that And

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Angie: Oh,

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John: accelerate the journey

to financial freedom great.

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I do this for another company

because they taught me how to do

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it and I'm teaching their stuff.

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It's not my stuff.

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It's not my general preferred area

of coaching the financial stuff.

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I much prefer the business, but I

do generally, when I work with some

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private clients from them, I end up

working with them on business stuff.

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It would be like either

business investments or

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starting up their own business.

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I'd much rather do that stuff.

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So I don't really have to have those

conversations very often about, well, I

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would probably say here's the areas that

I don't really want to work with you on.

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I don't, yeah, I'm not really,

I'm not a health coach.

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I don't.

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I can maybe give you some coaching

on that, but it's not my area.

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I'm not a relationship coach.

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I don't really want to get into all

of that stuff, but it doesn't mean

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you can't bring it up on the calls.

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So, I'm not a spiritual coach.

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I have nothing really, that's

going to be particularly

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helpful to you in that area or,

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Depending on what you

do or don't believe in.

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But I've never really had

to have that conversation.

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Angie: Interesting.

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And listen, and I want to say this.

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So even if to your point, like it didn't

always come up for me where somebody

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specifically asked, it did happen,

which made me say, okay, I need to

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tell them this in the very beginning.

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But.

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What I did find is that through the

process of coaching, that maybe some of

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those things were very big challenges

for the client, whether it was their

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health, they were overweight, they

didn't feel pretty, they didn't feel

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healthy, they were financially throwing

money, I think they're gambling they're

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just not, they're 70 and they never

saved and they're eating cat food.

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Okay.

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Some of those were an exaggeration,

but the, but they were the truth.

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It was things that would come up as

major pain points for that client.

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And I'm like, I'm not, it's not even that

I don't want to, and I'm not running out

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to go get some like pretty little, cute

little letters at the end of my last

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name to say that now I'm a nutritionist

or I'm a health coach in any way.

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I don't want to do that.

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I would rather hand them

to somebody that I know.

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Has been doing something for a longer

time and has specific expertise in that.

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Not me that, I could say to them,

Oh, Weight Watchers worked for me.

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But I don't want to do that.

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That's not really the thing.

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John: I got asked to do some transition

coaching for people who were being

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relieved of their employment,

shall we say back in the UK some

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years ago, and I turned it down.

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I didn't really want to do it.

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And it's not that I couldn't have done it.

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I just didn't really want to,

and it didn't feel like my area.

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And I was focused on, I was focused

on other things at the time.

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So, so yeah, I turned that

particular opportunity down.

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It could have been quite lucrative.

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I know, but that's not the only

reason for doing or not doing stuff.

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Angie: think that they're,

oh yes, I'm listening.

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I'm ready.

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John: You ready for my question?

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Angie: I am.

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John: If you could have

anybody as your coach.

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Who would you choose?

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Angie: so you're saying like

obvious, like big names.

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John: Could be.

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Angie: Just think for a second.

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Cause you caught me in Ooh,

if I could have anybody.

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I know you're not going to like

my answer, but I have a very,

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well, listen, I get you anyway.

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You are like, you're

my friend and my coach.

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So check that box.

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But I think I would probably, I think

that I've always followed the more

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like, what's the word I'm looking for?

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Not the stronger, but.

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Like I've never followed

the softer coaches.

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So

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John: approach

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Angie: yeah, I think I've always been

attracted to the more direct, but I

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think if I could sit and be coached

over the longterm with somebody, I'd

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probably pick somebody like Jay Shetty.

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Don't come at me, but here's why.

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Because I just, because I feel like that's

an area for me to maybe soften it and look

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at things from a different perspective.

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So it would probably just off the cuff.

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Would be either him or even Brene

Brown, even though she's a little

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direct, she still has that softer side.

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So I could probably learn a lot

just in how they interact with

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me, not even in what the actual

coaching session brings about.

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John: Interesting.

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No, no judgment from me.

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I have no idea what Jay Shetty or Brené

Brown would be like as one to one coaches.

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Could be, I'd be interested to hear that

experience from someone who had that, but,

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Angie: Hey Jay, calling Jay Shetty.

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Are you listening?

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Sorry.

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John: He's probably not.

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Or maybe he's decided he wants

to learn how to coach properly.

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Who knows?

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Maybe he's listening in.

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Um.

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I've mentioned the name of the person

who I would choose before on the show

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and it would be Carrie Wilkerson.

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I've worked with her before and

I think she's an amazing coach.

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She's a coach to One of our mutual

friends at least one of our mutual

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friends, I think and and she's an

incredible person So i've worked

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with her in a group setting.

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I would love to work with her one

to one and My intention is very much

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that I will at some point in the

future, but i'm not there yet, but

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Angie: else I didn't

know about John today.

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All of this information.

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Well, I mean, I think we can agree though.

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Here's the bottom line.

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I think you and I both agree that it's

Really important as a person and as a

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business professional even though our

arena is coaching to Remain open and

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even if you're not coaching constantly

You know, because I did it over a period

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of years consistent, but then I when

he retired, I took a step back for a

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minute and then I come in and out of it.

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I am also like you mentioned, surrounded

by more coaches that are from.

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Different spaces.

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So I'm able to utilize them,

but I'm still coaching.

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I will still even call them and

say, Hey, I have a question.

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What are your thoughts on this?

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So I still feel like I'm in that space of

learning more of what I don't know yet.

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I think that's important.

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So I think it would be a disservice

to their own person if they said, Oh,

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well I'm never, I don't want to coach.

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I don't know anybody who would

say, I don't need a coach.

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I never want to coach with anybody.

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Okay.

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John: Yeah, I like the idea Silly as this

may sound I like the idea of having a

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coach who Is not just going to be an easy.

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Yes They're going to make me work for it

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Angie: Yeah.

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Well, listen, but that's

because you've evolved, right?

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Like you've evolved, you

know the value of that.

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That's why you would seek it out.

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John: Yeah, absolutely There's

a super fascinating topic.

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I really enjoyed this.

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It's been a fun chat.

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We've brought up already in this

episode about Speaking for coaches.

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I think it's come up a few times.

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Let's maybe hit that

next time for our topic.

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Yeah

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Angie: Sure.

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Absolutely.

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Bang, bang.

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Love it.

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John: Sounds good.

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Well for now, If you're a coach who

hasn't got your own coach, maybe have

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a think about whether that could be a

good idea Probably is And if you want

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some advice on that or if you think one

of us would be a great coach for you

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Get in touch You can find us on linkedin

and if you just got some feedback or

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: 00:32:04

you have some comments around some of

the stuff We've been talking about today

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leave us a voicemail go to speakpipe.

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com forward slash the coaching clinic

podcast It's free to do and we might just

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feature you on well, who are we kidding?

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: 00:32:16

We will definitely

feature you on the show.

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So we'll look So have a great week

everybody and we'll see you next time

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Angie: Bye for now.